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Companies met with them one week after the election and discussed financing for 666 fifth avenue. no financing was reached and no deal was struck. another deal we know mueller's team is exploring is a meeting with a prom nents qatari investor. the intercept reported on that meeting. as far as we know, that deal ever happened. those talks stalled as well. >> any sense of what the special counsel's team may be trying to figure out in asking these questions? >> it's tricky. we know they're asking witnesses about this. it's not clear why they're asking these questions. it could be they want to che...

Impact of having someone around him who is going to take a fall like this. and it just seems irresponse stoible me if you know anything about these stories to allow anyone with those allegations floating around about them to be that close to the president. it puts the president in a vulnerable position. >> martha: you know, it's tricky. and obviously the way that ben presents it, ari, you know, is from the national security perspective, which is absolutely a valid question to ask here. you know, from the personal side, when you read the account of his first wife, she talks about the fact that ...

Pull that one off. incredible. it is amazing. >> bill: you think about it. we have video of the giant boosters. i don't know how much they weigh. >> a lot. >> bill: we have the two boosters that came back to earth and landed with presietion. >> they can use them again. >> bill: every time the booster fell over or missed the landing pad. there was a third booster that was supposed to land on a water platform and it missed. >> it's tricky. they hoped to get the third one back again. that's a lot tougher. you are out in the middle of the ocean, a platform in the ocean. less margin. that one didn'...

Prosecutor is going to have to get inside the president's head to figure out what his actual intent was in those statements. what was your reaction to that? >> i think intent was one of the more interesting parts of that interview. he also said that the president likes to say, you're fired, and he does it all the time. he apparently learned his lesson on "the apprentice" all too well. as far as intent it's tricky for a lawyer to be able to prove intent. but in this case there are so many acts in furtherance that a jury can infer intent. and the other problem is if he didn't intent the corrupt ...

Discussion with michael, i wish i had a lawyer with us. because there were moments he talked about what the special prosecutor was going to find from this witness donald trump and from others that there was this vague blanket of noise that he described ultimately as wallpaper that was the fire mueller wallpaper and was that really a specific demand to fire mueller and michael was speculating the special prosecutor is going to have to get inside the president's head to figure out what his actual intent was in those statements. what was your reaction to that? >> i think intent was one of the mor...