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Think it was this week, every week blurs into one. there was this truly bizarre 48-hour news cycle which i called the debate club news cycle. and nothing actually happened. there was no new event. there was -- at the end of it there was the manafort, the new claim against manafort. but nothing actually happened. instead we were spending all our time with constitutional law experts debating whether it was possible for a president to pardon himself, whether the president could commit obstruction of justice. >> parsing that llc opinion, counsel opinion. >> this is the storm rudy giuliani is whipp...

Possible for a president to pardon himself, whether the president could commit obstruction of justice. >> parsing that llc opinion, counsel opinion. >> this is the storm rudy giuliani is whipping up. he's not doing any substantive legal work. it's the husband and wife team doing the work. rudy is on tv busy really actually doing what the main objective is which is to make this a red and bluish yu. that's the whole ball game. it's when mueller puts out his report, absent some unforeseen scandal that we don't know about that is just, you know, impeachable on its face, absent that, they are tryin...

Sticks much more, the president is sewing real doubt and successfully sewing doubt not only about the mueller investigation, but confidence in the department of justice or the fbi or whatever institution it may be. >> yeah, and there's a broader pattern here, anderson. you and i have talked about this before, that when the president faces opposition, doesn't argue the facts of the case. he tries to delegitimize the opposition, attacking their very validity to have any view on this whatsoever. that they are inherently corrupt and therefore they can be dismissed, frankly, without argument. >> ...

Only about the mueller investigation, but confidence in the department of justice or the fbi or whatever institution it may be. >> yeah, and there's a broader pattern here, anderson. you and i have talked about this before, that when the president faces opposition, doesn't argue the facts of the case. he tries to delegitimize the opposition, attacking their very validity to have any view on this whatsoever. that they are inherently corrupt and therefore they can be dismissed, frankly, without argument. >> and it's working. >> oh, yeah. >> you believe that, when you travel around, you hear peop...

Place, different mic. you have a hot take on rudy giuliani. we would like to you share it with everybody. >> i think in his role thus far he's been incredibly effective for donald trump. i don't think he's losing it. think he knows exactly what he's doing and i think it's working. every tweet, every con by rudy giuliani is aimed at one thing, getting us in the media to react. we react. people loathe us to begin with. it adds to people's idea of what is going on here? is it the media against the president? rudy giuliani something believed and he has credibility among a specific percentage of am...