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And freddie so we have to give them more power? no. we have enough laws. we have laws against fraud. if you just let them fail, they can't be gangsters. they are only gangsters because government gives them our money. >> bill: okay. here is where you are making your tragic mistake. there aren't enough laws because they have outgunned the laws. and they say now, it's very complicated. i talked to karl rove about this a few days ago. and i said to him, look, isn't it true that the bush administration didn't watch these people on wall street enough? and then they ran wild with these derivatives. ...