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no—one�*s asked me that before. um... i'm tenacious, i'm a... ..a bit adventurous. that's how i got into it to begin with. and i think the biggest piece of it was hoping that i had done something worth doing, and that it had made a difference. so the values behind the work were important to you, but on a day—to—day basis, you were having to deceive and to lie. are you good at that? and protect. she chuckles and i got rather good at it indeed. yes, ican... ican... i can prevaricate with the best of them. let me take you back to the beginning. you've described entering the cia ...

minor nuclear disaster. that's me! iam... how can you cook like that? ..a total disaster. and then ijust throw everything in the sink and it's a big pile of dishes. and then wejust... we work our way through it. by the way, you have so many cookbooks. i have a few. out of the corner of my eye... i collect cookbooks, but nothing like on the scale that you do. i'm obsessive. can we have a peek? can we have a look? come on. i love that. this is my collection of things that i use almost all the time. if i'm looking for... like, what would a good french bavette, like a flank steak be? i'l...

and stop them claiming asylum here. now on bbc news, talking business. hello, everybody. a very warm welcome to talking business weekly with me, aaron heslehurst. let's go take a look at what's on the show. what do we want? trans rights! when do we want it? now! transgender people and their struggle in the workplace. as pride month kicks off around the world, we're going to ask why many don't come out, and what happens at work when they do. could including more trans people in the workplace add billions a year to our economies? i'm going to be discussing all of that with these two, t...

um... i'm tenacious, i'm a... ..a bit adventurous. that's how i got into it to begin with. and i think the biggest piece of it was hoping that i had done something worth doing, and that it had made a difference. so the values behind the work were important to you, but on a day—to—day basis, you were having to deceive and to lie. are you good at that? and protect. she chuckles. and i got rather good at it indeed. yes, ican... ican... i can prevaricate with the best of them. let me take you back to the beginning. you've described entering the cia through a side entrance, by which i...

i get to work here." and itjust makes me like show up more. you feel happy being in this space. i can see that. and i'm actually quite... when i cook, i'm quite manic about cleaning up as i go along, unlike my husband, who leaves a sort of minor nuclear disaster. that's me! iam... how can you cook like that? ..a total disaster. and then ijust throw everything in the sink and it's a big pile of dishes. and then wejust... we work our way through it. by the way, you have so many cookbooks. i have a few. out of the corner of my eye... i collect cookbooks, but nothing like on the scale th...