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Liar. he was evil. his actions may have cost some 30,000 lives. is that fair to say? >> we can't make that claim. don't know how important it is. but there is an argument to be made. jack's book, i've read it and wrote a blurb for it. it's incredible. the amazing life of nixon. but don't know if could have been a peace there. william bundy working for the johnson administration for negotiations said we're not sure whether that matters that much. but there is an argument to be made it's criminal activity what nixon did. really is. >> add something to that. i believe that the south vietnamese go...

-- how much did this influence the south vietnamese government which was having its own internal political battles and so how great a chance was lost? the saddest thing that i found was a note in the lyndon johnson library from his national security adviser which said almost mournfully to lyndon johnson, this is the best chance we've had since 1961 to get out of this mess. this has been very painful. i'm here with your generals. we think we should go ahead, we think with determination we can make this work. so we can look back now and say, boy, those north vietnamese were incredibly stubborn, ...

Advisers believed this was -- this was more than viable. they thought this was a potential breakthrough. >> and jack, a final point here. why didn't lyndon johnson reveal publicly what he knew about this before the election? >> they had a long discussion about that. some of his aides urged him to. but there were two reasons. the more nefarious reasons was that nixon had been -- not nixon, but his envoys had been wiretapped and eavesdropped and followed around and would look bad for the american president to use the fbi in the late stages of a campaign. but the practical reason was as clark cli...

Thought. he said, i know. richard nixon did not just help prolong the war through the election season of 1968. he kept it going for five years as president costing the united states another 28,000 lives. joining us now, john farrell, the author of the upcoming book, "richard nixon the life." jack, thank you very much for joining us tonight. your first interview about this discoverry which you just published. first of all, when's the book coming out? we can't wait. >> march 28th. >> march 28th. okay. i'm going to be at the bookstore. so this -- you have many discoveries in the haldeman notes. i...

Hacking. about vladimir putin's involvement. and a similar reluctance on the president's part about just how political this might be perceived to be. >> yeah. and there are certainly echos, there was a great picture in "the new york times" a few weeks back. it was a picture of one of the computer sevenervers that had b hacked standing next to a file cabinet from the democratic national committee broken into during the watergate ex kcavatkn the 1970s. this idea of flirting with the enemy on the eve of an election is -- it's stunning in some ways and in other ways it's scary. >> john farrell, th...