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Limbaugh supporters. there are not bill o'reilly supporters screaming in the streets, you know, saying, hey, you should not be doing this to bill o'reilly. fine, they might be still buying his books but he doesn't have anyone actually defending what he's saying or did except for the co-presidents of fox news, but his people are not defending what he did. >> right, but they're still, as you point out, buying books and tuning into the program. >> true. >> let me put something on the screen from jack shaffer who writes about media matters, not your media matters but for politico. he said media ma...

I don't think it's about trying to persuade people. i don't see his audience out there defending him. i saw blowback and pushback from glenn beck's supporters and rush limbaugh supporters. there are not bill o'reilly supporters screaming in the streets, you know, saying, hey, you should not be doing this to bill o'reilly. fine, they might be still buying his books but he doesn't have anyone actually defending what he's saying or did except for the co-presidents of fox news, but his people are not defending what he did. >> right, but they're still, as you point out, buying books and tuning into...

Mines where other administrations would like to hand hold. the executive order is a great example. the obama administration, whether the substance was right or not would have had an on-the-record briefing, they would have tried to communicate what they thought the legal case was for it. they wouldn't have dropped it and let people run with it and that does induce higher errors, but i think they want people to screw up. >> you're creating a conspiracy theory which i'm not saying is wrong. conspiracy theories are often right but -- >> i just think they don't want -- >> remove the intention and i...

Trump because the administration is so much less careful. that is absolutely true. >> that's my point, yes. >> which is another reason why more sobriety is called for. jack shaffer had a great peace where he said these journalists saying we're going to gird our loins, time to fight the trump administration, how about buckling down a little more? you know the serious work of journalism is boring. it's checking facts. >> i agree there is a certain kind of -- part of it, too, is plausibility, part of what is screwing with the thermostat of journalists is that there are certain kinds of things an ...

Conservatives with this racist label without considering the facts, for example, that the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is himself in an interracial marriage and the politicians who were trying to use it against him are democrats in kentucky. >> let me take a moment to pup put up on the screen what he had to say about this whole controversy in the huffington post. the word racist is truly hurtful. it is not who i am. it's not who i ever was. i could have picked a better word, but it didn't ring any bells with anybody. if he is going to use that wording, he has to expect to take the he...