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Or, what happens mor frequently, in white-colla cases, is that the person is summoned that, is they are basicall given an invitation, or orde to show up to court on a specific day so, i think that's the mos likely thing to expect wit trump. >> i'd love to know from you vantage point, paul, what yo think jacks mitt is looking fo in terms of potential restrain on the part of the da in all o this >> you know, the da's case i quite different from jack smit 's it's a state case. the da's case is mainly abou donald trump, kind of before h became president so, i think that's the special counsel is wo...

About a grand jury subpoena fo a video footage which late appears to have found th movement of some boxes so my speculation is that they got phone records, they sa that on the very same day that the subpoena was served, there was a phone call, and they got curious about what that wa about and he had some basis fo the judge to find by preponderance of evidence that there was some crime afloa here so it may go to obstruction of justice about trying to concea from the justice departmen that they still had documents. but until they ask the questions, they will know th answers. >> right and cynthia...

University of michigan law school, and former federal prosecutor cynthia ochsner they are both msnbc lega analysts great to see you both. barbara, i will start with you just how big a deal is the new that special counsel jack smit will be allowed to questio trump's attorney without the shield of attorney-clien privilege? >> it can be criticall important, jonathan. ordinarily, as you noted communications between attorne and client are privileged when it's for the purpose of li seeking legal advice that's pretty st. croix saying lawyers don't usually breach that they rarely even try to breach th...

Judge to now find that crime fraud exception applies to any attorney-client privileg between trump and hi attorneys. what does that ruling from yesterday signify to you i terms of where smith's investigation is now in term of the timing of it, concernin the mar-a-lago case? >> it is moving forward, not only quickly, but in a reall dramatic weighs. rarely do prosecutors try to subpoena the attorney that represents the target of the grand jury investigation not only did jack smit subpoenas ethan corcoran, bu he has now succeeded i piercing the attorney-client privilege. judge pebble ruled it doe...

Attorney and a judge may excuse tha attorney, in appoint one for that witness in the event that the judg finds that there is undu pressures being mounted either a carrot or a stick on behal of the witness >> barb, i want to ask you the subpoena dragnet that's fallen over mar-a-lago, is it surprising to you that - was a lot of people thought th mar-a-lago case, we were tol from reporting in th washington post last fall, charging decisions wer imminent before the specia counsel was brought into this, does it suggest to you tha this investigation is going to go on, much longer how do you read the...