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Some member of democratic voters or independent voters leaning democrat, who won't come because they're not that enthused about hillary, and as long as she's going to win, they may stay away. >> james, do you think the trump message that it's rigged -- do you think that actually does -- i guess, initially, his thought was that it's going to fire up, you know, republicans to come out and, you know, overcome the rigged system in his opinion. but it does seem like it could also do the reverse, which is the worst get-out-the-vote strategy possible. >> you would certainly think that. and this, agai...

But the base is very restive and does not and resents peeling away, in fnevada, for example, joe heck, running for the senate, separated himself from trump after the sprovideo and t was a huge backlash among his base. now he's trapped the between a rock and a hard place. >> right, they're kind of damned if they do and damned if they don't. >> exactly. >> james, as far as you know, is there any historical parallel though, down-ballot republicans trying to distance themselves from the top of the ticket in the last days of campaigning? >> i'm trying to think, previous cases in recent memory when ...

Biography, kathleen hall jamieson from the university of pennsylvania and james fallow, the national correspondent for "the atlantic." jim, let me start with you. you were the chief speechwriter to jimmy carter and you describe that as being like fdr's tap dance instructor. so here we have another, shall we say, a difficult person to coach in donald trump. and i want to start with that because we can go back in history but trump has never been something quite like him. what have you observed, looking at the primary debates, looking at the first debate, what's the big takeaway for you about don...

The ways in which we think of barack obama as being eloquent is usually in large set piece orations that go on for 20 or 30 minutes which is different from the sharp comeback that he sometimes has been able to master but sometimes it takes him longer to get the answer out than you want in a debate format. but in this setting, that could work better for him than it did four years ago. >> james, thank you very much for being here. >> thank you. up next, the good, the bad and the ugly. our teasing finally comes to an end. we're finally going to talk clint eastwood. stay tuned. two years ago, th...

The race is super close and has been for months. the final round will be decided by a series of fights. a.k.a., the debates. the great writer james fallows has watched every moment and thinks we are in for a serious battle. both men are strong fighters. two men enter, one president leaves. he writes about it in his excellent cover story "slugfest," which appears in the september issue of "the atlantic." james, an honor to have you on the show. you're a great writer. thank you for being here. >> my pleasure. thanks for having me. >> what are the strengths and weaknesses of each of these men, as...