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The president's business dealings and finances beyond cohen? jason? >> there's no way of knowing exactly how far the immunity extends but i do think, john, the key here is the timing of it. this is either great news for the president or terrible news for the president. and this is what it appears to be the case, if mr. weisselberg was already immunized and has already testified and then mr. cohen pled guilty, it would seem that the investigators have already gotten all of the testimony from him that they wanted and they haven't charged or attempted to charge mr. trump. in which case that would...

His own lawyer. in his 46 years practicing law, zeitz has never seen anyone do that. >> we go off the record, and then he wants to talk to me while his poor lawyer is sitting there like a potted plant. >> reporter: zeitz says trump wanted to make a deal and settle the case, but zeitz refused. and in the end, trump lost. >> he's like, you know, an animal in the woods. he's been through plenty of depositions. if you approach him in the normal way, he's going to pick up the scent. he's going to understand he's got to be careful about what he says because he's no dummy. >> reporter: randi kaye, cn...

That, which i assume is part of -- i mean he does watch a lot of tv and follows ratings and things like that. but it's also part of his charm offensive. >> it is, and it drives me bananas to see this time and again that, you know, if people don't at least, you know, kiss the ring a little bit, i think that they don't get as much -- nearly as much information from him. but on the other hand, if he does turn on the charm, it's obviously important to keep in mind whatever objective you have, whether it's in an interview or a deposition, it's easy to become, you know, swept away when he starts tur...

The ring a little bit, i think that they don't get as much -- nearly as much information from him. but on the other hand, if he does turn on the charm, it's obviously important to keep in mind whatever objective you have, whether it's in an interview or a deposition, it's easy to become, you know, swept away when he starts turning on the charm because it's such a stark contrast to the way he can be otherwise. >> especially if you have a limited amount of time with him, that would be a real concern, obviously a real danger for the mueller prosecutors. jason forge, fascinating to talk to you. ap...

Trump had said he would never settle. but, again, his lawyers seem to be happy with this deal. and both sides were jovial during the proceedings and after the proceedings. it didn't seem, for either of them, that they had been plungeoned into this move. in fact, jason forge, the plaintiff's attorney, a former hard charging federal prosecutor said that they were going to not require any payment from the plaintiffs. he said this would be spread out and every single plaintiff would receive at least half of their money back from what they paid for those classes, donald trump university, they said ...