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Of course tim who we always say it was sort of the defining moment when we were in iowa and they had shoved us off into a coffee shop. everybody else was at the civic center in des moines and they would not let us go there. so they put us in, thank god, in java joe's a place we love and keep going back to all the time. but the insiders were all watching the show. we knew it. we were getting texts from every campaign immediately, but it really wasn't until tim left the civic center and basically said, there's no action going on over here, all the action is over at that coffee shop, the darkness...

>> you are such a journalist. very -- willie and i -- >> please. along with joe, willie, and me, we bring in for some reason donny deutsche. >> what are you doing? >> i grew up watching johnny carson on the anniversary show. i said is this black tie? you said yes. here i am. >> no, it's not. i have more announcements today. >> okay. >> people constantly stop me. why do they hate you so much? why are they so mean to you? we are friends. it's just television. >> i am explaining -- >> it's just -- >> do you have to ask? really? the host of "deadline white house" at 4:00 here on msnbc. >> nicole w...

>> i have license to say that i can say what i want to say, and i do. >> you're frepds with him. >> no loyalty. >> you threw him under the bus, though. you should have been vice president. you thought you were going to be vice president. threw you under the bus. then you were going to be attorney general. i bet he wished he had named you attorney general. you got thrown under the bus there. is he your friend? >> that's politics, joe. he wasn't loyal to you. >> the fact of the matter is that that's plekz of the times, and, you know, if you are getting into this business, you got to know that so...

Listen, everybody is allowed to have a different opinion in this country. and so are you. you're allowed to have a different opinion. you don't think he's fit to lead. that's okay by you. i feel differently. now, that doesn't mean that every tweet he sends out i agree with. i talk to him on a regular basis. when i don't agree, i tell him. that's the benefit -- >> so there are some things you completely don't agree with? >> of course. and there's things i've done i'm sure, i think this is less likely, but there may have been some things that even you don't agree with that i've done. >> oh, good...

2:00 a.m. i guess it was and fumbling around in the dark, trying to figure out what kind of yogurt i was going to have for breakfast, it made me very sad, joe, the choices. here again talking about can we get out of iraq? >> yes. exactly. >> i found him in the green room openly weeping. >> i'm not sure what that was, joy or sadness. >> john heilemann. i want to get your response the news, obviously about palm manafort, apparently, we -- paul manafort, we have bob muleer who is taking no prisoners here, we woke up finding they picked his lock, raided his home, they said, listen r, we got to go ...