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The lead attorney for the nuns put hit the way -- the government demands that the little sisters of the poor sign a permission slip for abortion drugs and contraceptives or pay millions in fines. the sisters believe doing that violates their faith and that they shouldn't be forced to divert funds from the elderly poor they serve to the irs. the plaintiff has asked justice sotomayor to block the mandate and the fines while they make their case many the federal appeals court. the government responded friday arguing the plaintiffs cannot claim that filling out the form violates their religious be...

Sabotage or have an alternative? >> and thank you so much. we undoubtedly -- the fight is not over. we'll get to talk more about aca going forward. jay, marc, robert. who i learned used to be a deejay. i think next time you come back you'll have to deejay for us. >> don't get me started. >> coming up, my letter of the week. that's correct. cause i'm really nervous about getting trapped. why's that? uh, mark? go get help! i have my reasons. look, you don't have to feel trapped with our raise your rate cd. if our rate on this cd goes up, yours can too. oh that sounds nice. don't feel trapped wit...

Of implementation for the affordable care act at hhs and now a partner with the d.c. law firm mary and scalet. at the table, robert reyes, attorney and columnist for "usa today." jay, by your understanding, do the nuns in this particular case actually have standing? and is this different from the hobby lobby case? >> i don't believe they do have standing and it is different from the hobby lobby case. i hate to disagree with the little sisters of the poor. they're the plaintiffs but i think they're being unreasonable because the position they take is simplify signing a certification saying they...

And there is no going back now. with me now from washington, d.c., jay engoff, a former health and human services department official. at the table, marc steiner, raul reyes. ka trka trina vandenheuvel, and robert george. i love we can make a claim between light bulbs and health care. and i think that the light bulb fight is over. >> a little light bulb. jay, let me pull you in here. i think the light bulb fight is over if. is the aca fight finally over now that it's i want plemted? are opponents going to admit defeat? >> no, they're not, it's not over, but i think it's hard to think this way ...

And they're really some of the things clay has pointed out numerous times. it's really not having a kind of coordination and not having the talent together inside the government that is up enough on modern tech policies to be able to coordinate these things. you want to watch this stuff and make sure you're not dealing with people who are simply clever at doing the requests for contract bids and know how to file them. you want people who have expertise. but the rest of it is not the greatest concern. >> jay, are these glitches -- are they going to merely be a flash in the pan or is there a rea...