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Conspiracy or less so like false statements, how many people will he pardon before as a political manner the public and the members of congress say it is enough. >> i want to go back to jay secula who says he misspoke a year ago when he said that president trump did not dictate that response to the trump tower letter. do lawyers get bad information the way he is saying he did. it seems to me if your client is the president and he is accused of dictating a letter, you might ask him if he did so and have that information a year ago. >> you can't help it if your client lies to you. he lies public...

He's the counsel in the white house. and there's jay secula. ty cobb said as the president left to catch the helicopter to air force base that the plan is to cooperate with the special counsel's office and in the particular to cooperate, they're talking about a possible interview. sources familiar with the investigation tell fox news that his outside attorneys are of a different mind about all of this. you mentioned this at the top, shep. no attorney wants his or her client to sit down with the prosecutors. what has gone on here over the last several months between the white house and the tran...

Somehow ultimately to blame for that don junior meeting happening, but of course as cooler heads prevailed, everyone learned no one puts the u.s. secret service in the corner. >> that's right. jay secula was incorrect on two counts. the first was that don junior was not a protectee at that point. so he didn't even have a secret service detail as jay secula claimed. and the secret service came out in a stunning rebuke and corrected him. and the second area where he was incorrect is that the secret service's job is to protect these people from threats on their lives and bodily harm. their job is...

There. he will have to answer questions under oath, if he does testify before congress about when in the course of the meeting, in the run up to the meeting, certainly during the meeting or after the meeting, when did he discover. >> especially after the meeting. >> there were probably e-mails after the meeting, one would think. you don't convene eight people at that level of the campaign with that level of promise of damaging information then forget about it afterwards. go back after the 500 e-mails and find out what was said and share it with congress and the public. >> when i miss e-mails, ...

Vermont -- for months, donald trump and his team have tried to build links between the election behind us. that is now much tougher with a stream of revelations about a meeting donald trump junior and other campaign officials held with russian operatives last summer expecting to get damaging information about hillary clinton. how does this affect the credibility of the trump white house? what does it mean for at least four investigations into possible collusion. joining me now is jay secula, president of the legal team. since the story first broke about possible links between the trump campaig...