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Have. i hope they go at it at the debate. people aren't going to need to say jeb needs to bring in the energy. i want him to show that same energy and continue making a contrast between his record and donald trump's record. so i think this is good for donald trump. i think it's good for jeb bush, and i think it's good for voters because they get to see the contrast. remember, john, there was another guy who had a town hall at the same time as jeb bush and donald trump last night in new hampshire. nobody is even talking about him. >> it's a good point. so you want him to go from a joyful tortoi...

It's amazing. >> isn't it funny how it works that way? >> i think there must be something to it. ana, let me ask you this. one republican is jeb bush who has been on the attack on hillary clinton, especially when he was laying out in his big foreign policy speech. he was attacking her on iraq. this is something we have discussed. he stumbled over the iraq issue multiple times. why is he going there? is he just -- does he risk reminders of what could be his greatest vulnerability, his last name? >> i think every time that hillary clinton and jeb bush are duking it out over policy, it's good for...

Is great support and interest in the party and these candidates and here we go again. it is donald trump who is not even there who is upstaging everybody? >> they have to get on with what they are doing. they have to focus on their campaigns, their message delivered, go out and do more retail politicking through the event. i think that's what everybody is doing. if you sit down and pop yourself some popcorn and pour yourself some wine and watch trump telanovela, you are not going to get updated. >> they are still behind. they have a job to do of selling themselves to republican voters. i don't...

Donald trump even though donald trump might be articulating some views that a segment of the base really wants. if he can appear to be rising above that that can definitely appeal to not just primary voters but in a general. i think he can play it that way. you're right. it puts you in the -- i hope he's prepared for that. >> how do you do it? it takes a certain amount of almost acting skill. if you try to stand up to donald trump and you're a little hesitant tentative, stumble over your word he's going to jump you. >> he's not bound by facts. he will say whatever he feels like saying. >> if y...

Debate civic foreign tax chair ford o'connell and joe lastingy. why is this so difficult for republicans to answer? >> it is more difficult for jeb bush, but he should have had his answer candid. he should have known this answer was coming. i think what happened is jeb struggled. they're new to this game. they haven't done it before. they thought they could wing this. >> does this play into the narrative, joe, that jeb is out of practice he's rusty, it has been years since he's run a campaign? >> i think it does. the hard part of this is it is -- this was the one question he knew he was going ...