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Right. we were trying to very intentionally make it about her and her ideas, and similarly, you know, i had this idea that if jeb ran he'd have to be like sort of just jeb and try to step away from bush. again, just so that people would see him for his own man. >> well, i think that's been written about both of them, hasn't it? john, step away from the bush, step away from the clinton. >> yeah. >> is that a problem for either or both? >> well, it's both a problem and an opportunity. >> yeah. >> obviously if you have the last name, you have a huge financial network. you have people that have he...

Not easy, it's rough. it's how the various presidents jockey. without bush you don't have president obama politically. making the decisions are hard. that's the recognition of today was about. >> it's so great to have the both of you. david i loved your story last night on "nightly news." and chris, to you on "hardball" at 5:00 and 7:00. thank you so much. coming up, the bush legacy with the president's men. the former advisers. this is the first time in american history, that parents have seen their son's presidential library. mother, i promise to keep my area clean. oh, boy. [ groans ] ♪...

Jeb are very smart political operators and very smart policy so i think that either one will do a good job in the white house. >> john, giving a thumb's up not just to jeb bush but also to hillary clinton, karen finney, i know who she prefers. thanks to both of you. >> thanks. >> and by the way, welcome to msnbc. that's going to wrap up this hour of "jansing & company." i'm chris jansing. chris matthews picks up our coverage after the break. we'll have full coverage of the dedication of the bush presidential library.

The other guy is so far to the right, he brings back the goldwater urge, that we may not win, but we'll have a hell of a time. >> we're going 20 go down fights as long as they believe it's right. they're two different types of people even though they started off from the same side. they fought and clawed every step of the way. that gives them a lot of street cred with grass-roots republicans everywhere. i think the one who keeps that fight alive, that doesn't go washington, so to speak, will have a chance. >> can jeb run with the war in iraq so unpopular now? can he run with his brother still ...

And trump and those on the other crazy wagon of right wing talk that turned off the country. it was a winter of discontent followed by crazy summer of, is this all there is in? now there's talk of no one really on the republican side. are they really ready to run rubio, really? you think? can jeb run if he can't bring his own brother to the republican convention and nominate him. the problem is the warm response to mitt romney having looked at and seen the alternatives. they may be thinking the grass doesn't look that green, doesn't it? i'm joined by david corn and yew joon robinson. you're a ...