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This is where the hearing was today with secretary sebelius. did you learn anything new? >> well, i think that we did. the good news, i guess, the next step is that she has agreed to come back. we are going to ask her back. she knows that the beginning of december. we want it know what the numbers are. thus far, they have hid those numbers from us. >> hid or don't know? she says she didn't know. do you think she was cagey about that? >> well, they said that she couldn't verify that they were accurate. even though subcontractors in essence said last week that they knew where they were. but, she...

New bill forcing the president to keep his promise. senator johnson from the state of wisconsin joins us. knives to see you, senator. >> hello, greta. >> okay, so your bill, what is your bill that you have introduced? >> well, it's a truedfather cla. it actually will allow president obama to keep that promise that he made to millions of americans. we can't protect them all. the only way we can honor that promise for every american is to repeal the healthcare law. but for millions of americans, they actually would be able to keep the healthcare plan that they actually like. we would give them t...

Jenna: some new fallout over obamacares we learn some insurance companies have found a loophole in the law allowing many people to avoid its effects for almost a year. jim angle's live in washington with the details taking a look at this story. jim? >> reporter: hello, jenna. well, yeah, there's one thing the administration hasn't been publicizing about obamacare, there is a way for millions on the individual market to avoid signing up for most of next year. listen. >> so if you start your coverage or renew your coverage before the end of the year, you can have at least another 12 months of co...

So from the administration's point of view, it's consumer protection. but from your point of view as someone who said, well, i don't want to spend that much, congresswoman blackburn said yesterday there are people who don't want to drink from a goblet, they just want to drink from a red cup. jon: yeah. >> but those people are out of luck in terms of trying to create a marketplace where jon and juan pay more maybe for their individual insurance so that everybody else is supported in this system. jon: juan williams, we'll talk about this some other time, i'm sure. thank you. >> thank you, jon. j...

New bill forcing the president to keep his promise. senator johnson from the state of wisconsin joins us. knives to see you, senator. >> hello, greta. >> okay, so your bill, what is your bill that you have introduced? >> well, it's a true grandfather clause. it actually will allow president obama to keep that promise that he made to millions of americans. we can't protect them all. the only way we can honor that promise for every american is to repeal the healthcare law. but for millions of americans, they actually would be able to keep the healthcare plan that they actually like. we would giv...