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China doesn't take care of it, we'll take care of it ourselves, when you have that combination does north korea read him with trepidation, are you concerned that if not conflict, a misunderstanding that could lead to conflict? >> i think that's what we were just talking about, he's there to make sure hiss regime continues to exist. and anyone who threatens him overtly will cause him to dig in more. i'm concerned about this and the bluntness and brashness of mr. trump without a strategy and the things he has said about what he's going to do without options. jim, i'm give you an example. if nort...

Hu hunt. >> he's basically daring the congress to give him immunity. should we be giving him immunity,? no, we don't want the story to come out. >> jim sciuto, stay was. joining us on our panel is mike dorian, julian kyam and our own julian borger. let me just clear up a few things with you, this whole thing about susan rice, you're being told by people close to her and other i guess former intelligence officials that you're talking to, this is not completely unusual for a national security advisor to ask for some of these to be unmasked. how widespread would the name of somebody amassed be di...

>> it's not clear, it's depends on how many people knew, right? i think we should be aware of where intelligence is being politicized, there's no question, and frankly you can argue about both sides and leaks are not new in washington, we have seen that many times before in multiple administrations, and the fact is that the argument from the trump administration is that there were leaks in the obama administration, of course there are some leaks that are due to the trump administration. it's sadly the way things work in washington, as we have seen for some time. >> gloria, what do you make of ...

How many people unmaskin unmasking. >> here again, stepping back from the specifics and this is something that intelligence officials who have served the administration, it is a very specific process, there's only about 20 people in the national security agency that has the ability to approve the unmasking and then the process is to have that information go back solely to the requester. >> so very few people. and the story's literally moving as we're talking. jim sciuto is reporting that both susan rice and a colleague of hers were responsible for that unmasking. what do you think's going on. ...

>> there is no way to know, only donald trump knows that. but as you mentioned, this is someone who consumes an amazing amount of news every single day. i think it's probably more likely that he has heard about it and they don't know what they want to say about it. this is someone who was an early supporter of donald trump, very loyal and was behind him when people didn't believe in him and i don't think trump is eager to be throwing him overboard. >> you certainly with michael flynn, during your time in service, from your point of view as a military man as well, his actions, were these conver...