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We have hurt a good amount of our job base. there's a lot of division, lack of civility. we have health care controversies. >> well, maybe one person's happy talk is another person's inspiration. >> people want to see a direction. they're worried about the debt. they're worried about competitiveness. if the president focuses on those issues, he will find pich with republicans in congress and i think with the larger public. nobody is going to buy into things that everybody is happy. we have wars in iraq and afghanistan -- >> but he's got some momentum, to be fair. his poll numbers are up. he is...

Governor until 2008, money and people are migrating south and west because of in large part those are more competitive states from a business and jobs standpoint than the rest of our states including the great lakes states like mine have to be competitive we have to lower our costs. >> greta: your unemployment rate march 20107.4% down from where it was 8.1% march, below the national average. why is minnesota 7.4%, which i'm sure is the envy of many states? >> in the first year the obama administration as a percent of our overall job base we lost the smallest percentage of jobs, i think in the ...

Their purchasing power is increased substantially, that's a real benefit. i think we overstate what we lost here. retail jobs are low wage jobs because they are unskilled jobs. it's not like the people working in the mom and pop stores getting displaced had high wage jobs with health benefits they lost. there are people who operated those businesses that lost out. it's not like there's a big high paying job base in retail before staples got there. >> i want to go back to a basic premises. this idea that this is, over time, efficient. there's not great evidence on economy of scale over a certai...

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