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Telling people this. i've been -- i've been nonpolitical my whole life. at an early age, i realized that politics divides people. as a 12-year-old, i used to sit on my dad's lap and smoke a pipe and watch "firing line." remember "firing line? "and i observed that william f. buckley jr. is probably the greatest political pundit of all times. he was amazing. i wasn't sure if the american public, if one ideology can govern the diverse population. >> sure. >> i don't know how many people can relate to -- now he's deceased and then there's the great george will so i don't know if people can relate ...

Las vegas and get a job doing that the risk-reward ratio is no longer very good for you. if you are a drug dealer, you have got to get your product north and money and guns south. that's why we had this terrible murder in southeast arizona because the porous part of the border, the most weakst part of the border today is along the arizona -- >> bill: look, look. under president bush, you put in the virtual fence. 50-million-dollar virtual fence. >> we started the virtual fence. >> bill: erected, mr. rove. $50 million wasted. wasted. >> no, no. no not at all. we had -- hey, look, bill, you have...

Las vegas and get a job doing that the risk-reward ratio is no longer very good for you. if you are a drug dealer, you have got to get your product north and money and guns south. that's why we had this terrible murder in southeast arizona because the porous part of the border, the most weakst part of the border today is along the arizona -- >> bill: look, look. under president bush, you put in the virtual fence. 50-million-dollar virtual fence. >> we started the virtual fence. >> bill: erected, mr. rove. $50 million wasted. wasted. >> no, no. no not at all. we had -- hey, look, bill, you have...

American people what we stand for. >> is it just -- communications or have you done a good job doing stuff? >> we need to be stronger leaders and i think we immediate to be more aggressive. we immediate to push back when republicans -- try to describe us in certain negative terms. i don't think that we do that very effectively. and i think we should always be on the offense ready go back to work for barack obama? >> i will always help barack obama. >> in his re-election campaign. >> some capacity. >> you are ready to do that. >> i'm not ready to move to chicago. >> but you are ready at some po...

Las vegas and get a job doing that the risk-reward ratio is no longer very good for you. if you are a drug dealer, you have got to get your product north and money and guns south. that's why we had this terrible murder in southeast arizona because the porous part of the border, the most weakst part of the border today is along the arizona -- >> bill: look, look. under president bush, you put in the virtual fence. 50-million-dollar virtual fence. >> we started the virtual fence. >> bill: erected, mr. rove. $50 million wasted. wasted. >> no, no. no not at all. we had -- hey, look, bill, you have...