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Look at whether or not someone works as an ally with us, whether we have joint military and international security concerns and issues we're trying to address. that's what military sales we look to. it is not as if the united states exits in military sales. it means will be russia and china will fill that gap and then also that cooperation will-lessen. >> it is interesting. you are making the point that you disagree with the president that in order to maintain u.s. jobs -- >> it is not a job issue. should never be a job issue. >> steve mnuchin is still planning to go to saudi ayrabia next week...

Have to be held accountable. you have north korea doing the territorial killing, you have russia taking action in the u.k. and each incident we have increased sanctions. we put pressure. we cannot allow this to become the new international norm where people feel comfortable going into another nation. >> it sounds like you agree with president trump who said this week, no, stopping arm sales is not the way to punish saudi arabia for this. he said there are other things that can be done. his concern is u.s. jobs. but at what point congressman -- >> but listen -- >> at what point do human rights ...

Should have been jailed not fired? >> she's in contempt of court. it's not because she refused to issue the marriage license. a judge issued her a lawful order. you must in that job issue that marriage certificate from the judge and she says to the court i'm not doing it. you can't have someone telling a judge -- >> we're a nation of laws whether we like it or not. a lot of laws i would not like to abide. i got some traffic tickets. you have to abide by it. same-sex marriage is legal. she has to get in line. i know it's not popular or what everybody likes but this what is happened in america a...

Information technology, you're left with very low paying retail jobs or no jobs. we talk about the revival of manufacturing in this country. that's not a drive of jobs anymore. that's people with software skills that can handle manufacturing. so there's a racial component to this. there's a gender component. women are doing better overall than men as you pointed out some ethic groups are doing better. we should talk about education. we should talk about the racial issues. we should talk about inhibitions to job creation for those that this is hurting. this is 50th anniversary of war on poverty...

Ways you do that. you start with, we need more jobs. how do you get more jobs? we can bring in business loaders from all across this country, and economists who can tell us how to do this. the president has to get off his fairness issue, which loses jobs and go to the job issue. if you know how to create a job, and many of us do, it's really pretty simple, bill. we need to be hung up on creating jobs, and that's what republicans want to do. will we compromise on how to do that? yes, we will. but we will not compromise on the things that are about jobs and job creation. bill: i see. and the oth...