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Borrowed money. we've got to start dropping spending. if it's redundant, the different 100 plus job programs, we need to combine those and so we don't have the different costs. land, most of the western part of the united states is under the regiment of the federal government. we need that back to state and private control and not have the west owned by the government. we have millions of square feet of federal properties that are sitting unused. we need to sell those and not carry those assets all the time. >> mike: you might even believe that the tenth amendment meant what it said, what an i...

Borrowed money. we've got to start dropping spending. if it's redundant, the different 100 plus job programs, we need to combine those and so we don't have the different costs. land, most of the western part of the united states is under the regiment of the federal government. we need that back to state and private control and not have the west owned by the government. we have millions of square feet of federal properties that are sitting unused. we need to sell those and not carry those assets all the time. >> mike: you might even believe that the tenth amendment meant what it said, what an i...

With men it does. there's this competitive thing. it's patriotic. they like that. you're asking about the personal situation. you can never win a microeconomic argument because people don't believe what politicians tell them about their own economic situation. so jobs have to come back in the real world for these people. but as a broad political message, works much better with men than women. >> your thoughts on that. last thought from you, mark. the whole question -- we argue about this all the time on the show, what i call from scranton to oshkosh. the wipeout this last november. can he brin...

Teachers' jobs? >> that's what they're saying. >> we need teachers. no doubt about that. that $23 billion is not necessarily going to educating the kids, better books, fasts, or better curriculum. >> not at all. in fact, exactly what you said. we have turned our schools in job programs as opposed to career producers for children. it's a way to make sure these adults keep their jobs. that's all they talk about all along. it's not the children. they only talk about children as the after thought. when you focus on children, when the teachers unions and those who represent the teachers begin to fo...

You are, head to weather channel's website at weather.com. reverend al sharpton, lots of others participating in the forum at harlem's first corinthians baptist church. we find mara. what has been the big discussion points this first hour? >> reporter: alex, what you're hearing discussed now is the economy. this is really the meat of the issues taking place in the african-american community because african-americans have been affected by economic troubles probably more harshly than any other group during the recession. you're hearing essentially two things, on the one hand hearing the speake...