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Point. trump in the campaign saying, hey, russia, if you're listening, how about you get me those e-mails? caught in memo or another private communication saying that, it's a scandal. with glee for everyone to see, i think people see it and say, well, it can't be that bad if he's doing it before my eyes but in fact a lot of these things, nlg, according to, you know, experts are bad. you know, he is damaging the rule of law. he is undermining faith in democratic institutions. so i think we need to do a better job separating trump's manner and the ease with which he does these things from the se...

Better job separating trump's manner and the ease with which he does these things from the seriousness of what he's actually doing. >> and, ej, what about this -- that jeff sessions now is back on the i don't know list on the question of is donald trump going to fire him? >> well, i wonder, by the way, i want to correct the record. nixon, the articles of impeachment were voted by the judiciary committee. but i think that donald trump it may preparing the way to pressure sessions to give him a choice either you cooperate in some way in firing mueller or in stopping mueller or in obstructing mue...