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Called ted cruz. they are being labeled heroes for something. when republicans were digging their heels in, when mike lee and ted cruz were doing this, they were bringing down the government. have some consistency, media, it's the same thing. >> our business expert on the couch, e. mac. without getting buried in the details of high risk derivatives and what republicans and democrats allow them to do, i'm a little disappointed that republicans would allow the big banks to take risks on things like derivatives that were banned in dodd-frank, just a 30,000-foot opinion where you stand. this is no...

Dollars that we'll see an improvement. >> as our options are narrowing because of obamacare, i think it would be a perfect time to sort of expand our options a little bit. at least for one group of americans. >> yeah. well, i agree with vouchers but she said something really smart here and that's that it is going to add to the crowding. it's getting worse in the private health care system. what we need to do is really expand the supply. we need to remove the regulations. we need to bring in market forces and pricing transparency so that we get the steve jobs, the bill gates, the jeff besos and...

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>> david: e-mac, even medical businesses. i was talking yesterday on the business channel to the head of the cleveland clinic, praised by president obama and others. he said this is going to force costs to go up. even people in the medical business agree with this. >> the medical business sees it coming. and the chief actuary of medicare put out a damning report saying this is fantasy land accounting, cost-saving. a lot of studies such as being cited to provide savings in the system are based on, in other words the chief actuary from medicare saying the cost saving promised in the healthcare b...