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Of course timothy mcveigh comes immediately to mind. very, very different kind of case than this one. so the arbitrariness is what you are pointing to and that's, i'm sure, weighing upon the jury. >> john, i wanted to ask you more about your project, cornell death penalty project. not just because i, too, went to cornell, but because i'm fascinated by it. you say this happened as a result of the closing of some death penalty resource centers. i'm particularly interested in what you guys talked about at one of your symposia on religion and the death penalty. >> well, the cornell death penalty p...

Leaves and how that related to their ability or willingness to impose death. we look at arguments which are made, not in capitol cases of how that can skew the jury's decision making and a number of other facets in religion and capital punishment. >> that's fascinating. i would love to see research on that. i think the work you guys do over there is really cool. >> thank you. >> excellent. jamie, john, thank you very much. the ultimate in tax evasion. huge player in the irs scandal is taking the fifth. we will have more. oh this is lame, investors could lose tens of thousands of dollars on t...