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Wikileaks, russia, release these e-mails, which she actually said, evelyn, suggested might have been actually a direction to them. is that a little step too far? >> i don't -- i don't think it is impossible, chris. i mean i know it sounds crazy. this is like something -- >> it all sounds crazy. >> like not even a john lecarre novel, i don't think he could have imagined this, but it is possible. i have heard lawyers talk about the possibility of cooperation or collusion happening right out there in the open, you know, through the airwaves. so it is possible. >> more to come. evelyn farkas, john...

On someone who has the kind of criminal defense attorney background adding to his team. we don't have any expectations that there's something imminent with the president. obviously the work of the special counsel goes on quietly, methodically, and this weekend, father's day, happy father's day to you, the president is spending this time with his family at camp david and that's the first time they have visited the retreat in maryland since the president took office. >> my little man can't talk yet. i appreciate you saying that. eventually he will be able to say it to me. interesting to hear tha...

Investigation. that being id, you heard the president very clearly talk about the concern that he has about unauthorized disclosures of classified or sensitive information and the threat they pose to national security. while i don't want to comment on anything specific, i think it is important to note that any disclosure of classified or sensitive information can clearly threaten the national security. john? >> thanks so much. you said it is president's tweet speaks for itself. in a series of tweets that the president faulted the department of justice for its defense of the president's executi...

There is too much classified information. i don't think that should condone the leak here. this is sensitive information. i think what is particularly sensitive is the potential source or method of gathering this intelligence. if this was gained through nsa intercepts of high level russian intelligence officials discussing their operation back during the election and this leak now gives up that source because they realized the nsa has access to these communications that is a big problem. >> john, what do you think? >> i spent 30 years almost in the cia. what frustratee about this is itlays to ...

That she is accused of leaking the document. winner's attorney tell nbc news that the his client is looking forward to putting this behind her. joining me now john cipher who ran russia ops for the cia. i want to put reality winner on hold here and talk about what we actually were able to find out from that document. michael, it says that they were trying to hack election systems. in layman's terms what does that mean? >> election systems can be any number of things. they are the systems people vote on. they are the systems used to tabulate votes to count them and the systems that manage the w...