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Them, but lay out what they're going to do in effect if they are elected? >> they have to. i think elizabeth warren took a positive step forward. if you're going to be a formidable democratic nominee in 2020, you have to coalition that base and renew the energy of those traditional democratic aspiration and ideals. the green new deal, if it connects to the livelihood of folks, not just people of color, but all americans, if you really connect infrastructure, jobs, economic opportunity -- >> and environmental racism. >> and structural racism, there is a path. she began to articulate it today fo...

Have. i just that's why my caucus asked him to step down. it's time. and i understand that he wants to understand and learn the black person, i understand he's reading roo"roots" but i suggese also read for colored girls who considered suicide when the rain wasn't enough. things that are happening in the commonwealth with the allegations of lieutenant governor, we're tearing open wounds that have been try to heel. >> thank you very much, delegate herring. let me bring in my tangle. john elgin from "the new york times." he's in virginia, by the way. alex hefner, host of nationally as i understa...

Of saying he was not in the photo. so it's not believable. it's quite dubious at this point. in the same breath, i think this is a moral lesson and it's a teachable moment for the democrats running in 2020 too. if you have these sins, they are irredeemable. if you have skeletons in your closet that are bigotry, racism, sexism, there's no coming home from that. in the same breath, this is an example of a governor who stood his ground. and we know in the politics of donald trump, if you don't concede, really, that's the only way to stand your ground and to survive and face off. in a sense, he's ...

>> absolutely. >> and the candidates will have to be clear on where they are on racial equality and fairness. >> and a vocabulary is not going to be sufficient. you have to have policy that really will grapple with those injustices. i think that's what you're seeing now play out. the american people will determine which of these candidates are real and are not just show boating but interested in substantive policy reform. >> we'll talk about that later. john, on the ground people want to see governing that will produce what's right for them. that the message i'm getting you from in virginia. t...

Sorry, in the senate. he's been very, very strong on issues in matters of race. even talking to members of the senate on both sides of the aisle about his experiences as a u.s. senator, being stopped by the police in the capital. he's taken the president to task as well over charlottesville and various other incidents we've had around the country. so he's been very forthright. the party ought to take its lead from him. >> i'm out of time, alex, but you're saying full steam ahead, we need to deal with all the issues and not take race out of the equation? >> absolutely. populism can appeal to al...