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John first, it seems to me that the -- since sarah palin ma may not run. bachman is not running, they're all going to track these crazy right wingers. look at the way huckabee's been behaving last week. they're going to appear on this far right crowd on this birther issue, because they want to get that crowd that doesn't have a candidate. >> i don't know if all of them are going to go that far, chris and we haven't seen tim pawlenty go that far. >> he wants to go back to don't ask, don't tell, that's playing with the right wing. >> that's not as far as going on the birther and the madrassas fr...

>> actually to john first, i'm sorry, sarah. >> they're trying to smear the fbi, because the fbi is investigating donald trump jr. and his father and jared kushner and other members of their team. we've already gotten a couple of guilty pleas. so, it's not surprising to me that a member of the trump family would welcome the release of information they claim is damaging to the fbi, even though in reality, it isn't particularly damaging to the fbi. >> so, say arah, okay, the lawy, where are they on all of this? are they so confident about the outcome that they're giving donald trump jr. free rei...

Does he mean when he says make it great again? >> i think it was great at a time when the families were united, even though we had slavery, they cared for one another. people were strong in the families. our families were strong. our country had a direction, and we corrected many of the problems. >> oh, dear. joining me now are our guests. normally i do ladies first, but i want to go to john first. do you have a read on whether either of these two candidates has the momentum? >> i think republicans in the state are frustrated. they're tired of being taken for granted by the republican party. r...

The state, there are counties that, frankly, if tom barrett was going to win he should have won. he didn't win so my bottom line is that i think it's probably scott walker win. and it's not a scott walker 57 did she 57-43 win. much closer to 51 or 52. >> from both of you, john first, what does this mean? citizens united. what ground game will it take to defeat the millions of dollars floating into elections all over america? >> i think it's really important to recognize that what happened in wisconsin was an experiment in the laboratory of democracy. this experiment, the part of both sides, is...

Negotiations, by and large, so people are talking to each other. why do these people want to take that right away? they're not governing for practical reasons. or fixing the budget. they're negotiating very political, very ideological edge to it. that's why we're fighting back. >> john, i'm curious, you've been watching these fights in the states and i'm going to ask the senator the same question, but i want you to answer it first, which is it appears messaging wise, democrats are turning this fight into a policy argument. but they're able to do that as a state level, but not doing a very good...