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You'll find they also have more crime and more shootings. there's actually, if you look at the science, liberals are always saying we should look at the science, yet they don't want to look at the existing science on whether gun laws make us safer or less safe. john lock did the first study of all the counties in united states and where you had concealed carry permits, more gun ownership by citizens, you actually had significantly less crime, hundreds and thousands of fewer murders, fewer rapes. what you don't have reported in the news is the fact that those states that put in concealed carry ...

We don't have any problem with more investment in mental health and so on. not even much of a problem with the high capacity magazines. they're not too sure about assault weapons. they are quite rational in what they say but the leadership almost seem to me to be, particularly wayne lapierre, completely outrageous. utterly insensitive, totally uncompromising. why is that? >> well, i think if you look at the history of gun laws, make a list of which cities and states have the most oppressive gun laws. you'll find they also have more crime and more shootings. there's actually, if you look at the...

Why is that? >> well, i think if you look at the history of gun laws, make a list of which cities and states have the most oppressive gun laws. you'll find they also have more crime and more shootings. there's actually, if you look at the science, liberals are always saying we should look at the science, yet they don't want to look at the existing science on whether gun laws make us safer or less safe. john lock did the first study of all the counties in united states and where you had concealed carry permits, more gun ownership by citizens, you actually had significantly less crime, hundreds ...

Dollars a year. we have to stop it and cut back. oh, no, the children. the little children are going to be starving. >> you are doing that too well. >> bill: how do you answer knicks time he comes in he will put a starving child on this deck. >> i would remind the former congressman. >> still in congress. retiring after november. >> i have moved on. the fact of the matter is he has no idea what he is talking about. >> bill: is he a harvard graduate. >> there are more than a few of those from that great institution iran on tism, this is all nonsense. the philosophy that guides our country can b...

Dollars a year. we have to stop it and cut back. oh, no, the children. the little children are going to be starving. >> you are doing that too well. >> bill: how do you answer knicks time he comes in he will put a starving child on this deck. >> i would remind the former congressman. >> still in congress. retiring after november. >> i have moved on. the fact of the matter is he has no idea what he is talking about. >> bill: is he a harvard graduate. >> there are more than a few of those from that great institution iran on tism, this is all nonsense. the philosophy that guides our country can b...