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About what was going on in israel and gaza, he said we were crumbling all over the middle east because of the light footprint policy of the obama administration. what do you think he means by light footprint? >> all i can think of is he wants a heavy footprint. he wants to arm everybody. >> not leave iraq? >> not leave iraq. surge, surge worked in iraq. it didn't. a surge was going to work in afghanistan, he pushed for that. it didn't. you forgot about the surge we should have had in afghanistan after 9/11, as we went off into iraq. so it's this one size fits all, bomb, bomb, bomb, fill in the...

Secretary of state until he gets what he wants. even though we don't know what it is that he wants. because it's definitely not more information, because when information is being offered, he's not showing up for the briefings. how did john mccain get to be the republican party's north star on foreign policy in 2012? i mean, senator mccain had a capital h heroic military career. being held as a prisoner of war and holding himself in circumstances as a prisoner of war that have never been duplicated in modern times. but in terms of whether that translated into any akment on foreign policy, why ...

Mccain's prom nance on this subject. if the president wants to nominate susan rice for secretary of state, should they be taking the john mccain e threats seriously? do you think he could stop it? >> i don't think he could stop it. i don't think they should take seriously. his power is just about noise because the republican party really doesn't care about it. yes, there are a group of people in the house who agree with him. he's now lost one of his three amigos, his lame duck. so it's him and lindsey graham and a republican party that doesn't give a damn about foreign policy scripts to fight ...

And while that's happening, everybody wants to talk about israel and gaza. it seems like a reminder to me that you don't have the luxury of choosing to specialize in one type of policy and to just give up on the others. and the republicans have just sort of given up on competing in foreign policy. >> they are not talking about the pacific and mccain isn't really talking about israel and gaza. he's talking about susan rice. an appointment that hasn't even happened yet, a figure that, frankly, not known to most of the american public. and he's like a kid holding his breath until his face turns b...

That. when john mccain did try to talk about what was going on in israel and gaza, he said we were crumbling all over the middle east because of the light footprint policy of the obama administration. what do you think he means by light footprint? >> all i can think of is he wants a heavy footprint. he wants to arm everybody. >> not leave iraq? >> not leave iraq. surge, surge worked in iraq. it didn't. a surge was going to work in afghanistan, he pushed for that. it didn't. you forgot about the surge we should have had in afghanistan after 9/11, as we went off into iraq. so it's this one size ...