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Statement. the historian john mecham suggested the president had a strategy of sorts. >> i had a sinking and sneaking feeling watching tonight that to some extent, this is a preemptive strike on the credibility of much of the press, in preparation for whatever bad news might be coming. and whether bits russia or whether it is something even he is not sure what it is. if you wound the messenger, if you discredit the messenger to whom the vast majority of country turns, then you raise skepticism, you raise doubt about whatever is reported. >> when reagan lost that first debate, it is hard to ima...

Affairs of the nation and the world would be safe and that's a particular kind of gift, a particular kind of charisma that doesn't fit into the usual categories and so your dad created a much more difficult literary task in writing about him which you know because you did it. >> mine was a different perspective starting with you and every president. >> that was george w. bush interviewing john meacham about george h.w. bush. mike has a piece suggesting jeb bush should follow the model of john kerry's 2004 campaign. he was at 4% and went on to win in iowa. what can jeb learn from john

People are worried that donald trump's rhetoric on immigration will leave people very vulnerable in a general election. there's no doubt that that rhetoric produces high 5s at the clinton campaign. and donald trump is full steam ahead on this. >> let's bring in author of the new book "destiny and power," jon meecham, your thoughts on this becoming a reality? >> i'm almost always in favor of any illusion to a dead president. what struck me about it is it's trump moving almost into a different phase where he wants to make arguments based on history, using analogies in order to somewhat made the ...

Convictions. she didn't say she didn't but she wasn't sure she did. >> john meacham. >> two of the presidents you wrote for, one in particular could be seen as an outsider because he spent his working life in hollywood. >> he felt like an outsider. two term governor and leader of a great political movement what's wrong with experience? >> i don't think people are thi thinking experience itself is a bad thing.

Congressman harold ford jr. and on capitol hill political reporter for "the washington post," robert costa. jon meacham is coming up as well. we began with immigration. here's what donald trump said yesterday about his plans to deport all undocumented immigrants from the country beginning with his exclusive appearance on our show in manchester. >> tell me the how. are you going to have a massive deportation force? >> you're going to have a deportation force. and you're going to do it humanely. >> how are you going to pay for this? >> very inexpensively. are they going to get ripped out their h...