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Sondland. what is he going to say when he testifies under oath? is he going to forget this? is he going to have to be refreshed? he's in a difficult position, i think. >> exactly. and again i'm working here off the reports we're getting out. we've had our reporters, msnbc all over the hearing rooms. but this was initially reported by cnn and is now a "new york times" report. reading from the "new york times" to your point, john, it says sondland didn't mention this incident to investigators when they answered the questions in private. he'll be asked about it next week in his blockbuster hearin...

Four conversations in one sentence and you just told me this is where you got your clear understanding. >> we're not in a court, gentleman. and if we were, the sixth amendment would apply and so would rules on hearsay and opinion and most of your two testimonies would not be admissible whatsoever. >> and so, john, i almost wonder whether some of these individuals just didn't look ahead to who the other scheduled witnesses were going to be because i think the panel has spoken about the limits of that on substance. but there's also the fact that if your main complaint is who heard the president ...

Me. i went to school with bill perry. >> it happens to all of us. what you're laying out also goes back to what was in this morning's impeachment hearing which is they didn't want this to happen. right now "the new york times" reporting that there are official additional witnesses to the call. this diplomat who testified this morning would be one of those. this is exactly why they were trying to clear out according at least to the impeachment investigators on the democratic side why they're trying to clear people out so they could get at the plot. john, stay with me. i want to bring back in ma...

Undermining our national security. and that is an abuse of authority that's impeachable. it's impeachable. it's impeachable. and i think we have to remember that. our national security does not come after the personal interests of one man. >> right. right. and that is something these hearings are doing more than other probes into donald trump is putting stakes there. as mentioned david cord comes back. maya and john, thank you so much for being part of our coverage tonight. we have a jam packed show. roger stone guilty on all counts. i have an exclusive comment from a key witness and our spe...

We were hearing was well, donald trump's primary interest was overall corruption. and i think one of the things that was laid out very clearly today is this is the person, this is the career public servant who's served six presidents who was standing in the way of corruption. and it was the very people she was blocking who were bad mouthing her to the president and getting her moved out of the way. and that included his personal attorney who publicly stated he was there to defend donald trump. >> john, what are americans learning this week after these first two impeachment hearings? >> well, t...