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But we're being kept quite far away from this. and from what i'm seeing, though, this is an operation definitely going on here. the police have surrounded the skyline building. and there's right now an operation going on for sure. john? >> and just for our viewers who may be joining us, kathy, let's just recap what we have learned over the last hour or so from police in terms of the targets here, what was used by these attackers. and what exactly the police have been telling us. >> john, i recaearlier, the nat police spokesman spoke to report just outside of the building. where the -- in front...

So far in arthis area that was attacked is cordoned off. there's heavy security around here. also you could see the city is on the edge. it's been a while since a major attack, a terrorist attack was lunched in jakarta, the kpl of jakarta. there's been several minor attacks outside, particularly in the provinces of java. where police have been in pursuit of a small group calling themselves the east indian mujah mujah mujahadeen. the police would not say for now who may be behind the attack in jakarta today. john? >> looking at the images we're

Government office and commercial buildings. john? >> okay, kathy. we would like you to stay with us, but in the meantime, we've got bob baer, our security analyst joining us now from tell rude in colorado. so bob, no one is saying it, certainly not officially at this point that this could be isis. either isis directive or isis inspired. if you look at how this is carried out, maybe as many as 14 attackers involved, certainly four confirmed by police. what's your take? >> i think it looks like isis right now. of course, maybe the indonesians doens know. there's been no claim so far. but it look...

In the city center of jakarta. it left at least four people dead including one police officer. >> a spokesman said the tackers used grenades as they targeted a police station in the capital. gun fire broke out between the officers and the attackers. they're pursuing one armed suspect who escaped from the scene. we have more on the breaking news. understand there was some situation outside of the building. . the skyline building, not far from where the attack happened. a gunman or gunmen was holed up inside there. and what is happening there now? police moving in? >> yes, john. hi. i'm right ac...

People can go in and out very easily. there's an entrance that goes through at the back of it and it also exits to a hotel next door and to a street just behind the building. so it's possible that the suspect, if he did go through here, may have escaped. but it seems like police have surrounded the building. they're inside. they're on the side as well and in front of it. anticipate from what i see, they're still going after the suspect. john? >> we'll leave it there. we appreciate you being with us throughout the hour. >> please stay with us. you're watching cnn. look smart? yeah, a little. yo...