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Set the stage for laws to make it harder for a lot of people to vote. the driving force behind the commission is that kansas secretary of state chris covack, he's been the johnny apple seed drafting these for other states. iranically 1 the states where you cannot legally give out the social security number is kansas. and secretary had to inform the commission he was barred by law to do that. >> and that moment, i don't know if you ever saw the great ice cube movie higher learning. but there's a time where the officer says let me see your i.d. and he rolls down his window and says let me see yo...

The data is in the weeds if the whole thing is illegitimate. >> there are problems with the voting system in the ways in which the rolls are a mess and which are likely to be exploited by this commission for misbegotten purposes. this is not just donald trump's ego not being able to handle having lost to the popular vote. it's used to set the stage to make it harder for a lot of people to vote. the driving force behind the commission is the kansas secretary of state, chris covac, he's been the johnny apple seed of these laws, going around the country drafting them for other states. ironically ...

This voting rights stuff. how do you reconcile the idealism and pragmatism in all of this. the data is in the weeds if the whole thing is illegitimate. >> there are problems with the voting system in the ways in which the rolls are a mess and which are likely to be exploited by this commission for misbegotten purposes. this is not just donald trump's ego not being able to handle having lost to the popular vote. it's used to set the stage to make it harder for a lot of people to vote. the driving force behind the commission is the kansas secretary of state, chris covac, he's been the johnny app...

Right? andy card was like johnny apple seed. he was just laying the seeds, doing the policy work. you know what i'm getting to. >> yeah. >> right now george w. bush is popular as barack obama. do you think that would have ever happened if andy wasn't just waiting patiently? what about that. george w. bush -- >> he's a good person, and he has demonstrated the capacity to lead during tough situations and is being recognized for it. and yes, i saw president bush the first, number 41, and he's doing great. >> that's fantastic. >> 4 3 is doing well. the bush family is just a great example of what i...

Out there is what, expose their kids to the widest range of things possible and see what sticks? >> yeah. i'd say a couple of things. one is to not be so much like a tiger parent. be more like a johnny apple seed parent. three stuff out there and see what your kid stares at. to stare is to think. it's the most important signal our kids give us. the other thing is to give them a little bit of space to discover what it is that really connects to them. >> what i love about the whole practice argument, it kind of defies our idea that we can control our lives instantly, that we can just change ever...