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Something that only the overly sensitive take to heart. so i do fear that the reaction would have been far more severe had it been a white player making a racist comment to a black referee and not this particular circumstance. >> what needs to change? >> randi, randi kaye, elgin baylor -- i'm picking on donald sterling, racial discrimination against one of the owners. i understand john's point, but there's current cases where you have a disagreement, that actually would have been taken by the nba. >> all right. guys, we'll have to leave it there. joe, rolland, john, appreciate it. thanks for w...

One guy shouts out something ugly like that, and it's going to cause a lot of heartburn out there. >> yeah. i think john's point was the most important one, which is right now emotions are very raw. this has been a long year and a half debate that we have had. people have calcified opinions one way or the other on it. and then i think you enter into that at the last minute abortion and you really have very hypercharged emotions. but i think we make a mistake by assigning the emotions or the lack of decorum of one member in a room that we all saw tonight must have had at least 700 people in it ...

Now, we've heard what the president said tonight. we heard what he said a couple of weeks ago in that open meeting, that extraordinary open meeting where he said i'll take the heat, meaning i'll get it from my base. >> and he is. >> well, but he added in the -- ending the visa lottery and -- >> he's always said four things. >> mccarthy -- congressman mccarthy had to remind him of that at the meeting if i recall. but where is he going to lead on this? if he really wants a deal and conservatives are upset and democrats are upset about this, where does the president step in and say and maybe at s...

>> it made it more folksy, we're an american family. you want to talk about together, i think those narratives up in the gallery were -- >> i said that. >> again, at the beginning, it's a monument to the american people speech. >> he did it throughout the speech. which i thought was very effective. >> what he also did throughout the speech was take credit for stuff he just didn't -- i know you can say that but it also gets right to the point of his credibility. when he took credit for the auto industry coming back. well, the auto industry has 7,000 fewer jobs in it from the start of -- the end...

Dreamer's a valuaedictorian. everyone's not. the reality is we need to talk about the truth -- >> quick question for the senator and the governor mostly. you know what's right before them, we're in an election year. we haven't talked about it but they have to try to raise the sequester caps on military spending. difficult for both parties, fiscal conservatives and democrats. then they're going to try to do this immigration thing. i'll believe it when i see it but they're going to try it in the senate. we're in an election year. are they really going to do criminal justice reform? are republica...