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But what really reinforced my resolve was remembering the 17.4 million people who voted for brexit. sure. let's just bring our conversation to a close with a few last thoughts about the big issue of the week, about migration and what you're doing. you made very clear to me when i interviewed you on the today programme and others that you're not planning to get out of the european convention on human rights. i remember the last time there was a big row between strasbourg and britain, actually was under a labour government, over the issue of whether prisoners should have the vote. and, in the en...

They relate to security and safety, people's wellbeing. particularly migration, it provokes very strong views. it's more than that though, isn't it? you had punch—ups on brexit. you were the leader of what we'll hear later on was called the spartan army of rebels against theresa may. there's something in you, i think, that likes the fight. well, listen, i... that's not by design, i would add. when you use that language, you know it's going to provoke. when you read that word "invasion" in the house of commons, you're not telling me you didn't sort of pull out the pin on the hand grenade and ...

Enabled brexit to be delivered under boris johnson. you know, that was a very difficult day and experience for me. and i think i speakfor many of my colleagues in that scenario. we were made, you know, there was a huge amount of pressure on us inside parliament to concede. we were portrayed as traitors. steve baker has said that he thought of conceding, he was going to give up. i'm sure everyone did. and then a friend... yeah, i knew it was you. it was you. you told him, "get some backbone, don't back down, steve." steve and i are very good friends, and we have been supporters of each other ov...

Day and experience for me. and i think i speakfor many of my colleagues in that scenario. we were made, you know, there was a huge amount of pressure on us inside parliament to concede. we were portrayed as traitors. steve baker has said that he thought of conceding, he was going to give up. i'm sure everyone did. and then a friend... yeah, i knew it was you. it was you. you told him, "get some backbone, don't back down, steve." steve and i are very good friends, and we have been as supporters of each other over many, many years. in the words of mrs thatcher, you told him not to go all wobbly....

It provokes very strong views. it's more than that though, isn't it? you had punch—ups on brexit. you were the leader of what we'll hear later on was called the spartan army of rebels against theresa may. there's something in you, i think, that likes the fight. well, listen, i... that's not by design, i would add. when you use that language, you know it's going to provoke. when you read that word "invasion" in the house of commons, you're not telling me you didn't sort of pull out the pin on the hand grenade and lob it in, knowing that the labour party'd go mental? i don't control how critic...