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Had a lot of correspondence, including with the catholic diocese, where he said he was actually encouraging pro-life groups to push back the frontiers of when abortion should be available. so you flash-forward now -- people do evolve, people do change. however, here's the thing. in my correspondence with him when i first came to them and asked them what his position today is on hyde was in response to the rnc attacking him for flip-flopping. it seemed like he didn't know what his position was when he was approached by an aclu supporter. the rnc was saying, he's fli flip-flopped, he's flip-flop...

Could you do that? >> as long as it dealt with under this act, this health care proposal act. you're right. hyde applies only to appropriation bills. this will be a new act that will be creating health care for americans. it has to be in this act. this act is not necessarily an appropriation bill. it is an enacting legislation. as long as they put the language in it -- >> can you pass it as part of another bill so you can get republicans? the problem you know is mr. stupak, you know, congressman, the problem is the math. to get hyde passed you need a lot of republican votes to pass it, if you ...

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