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Strength and being tough on immigration. and jonathan mueller, his new piece in the magazine titled "all the right people," looks at the role the heritage foundation has played in helping staff the trump administration. jonathan, great to see you. this is a fascinating piece. >> thank you. >> the list of names, scott pruitt, betsy devos, jeff sessions. it goes on and on. it speaks to a little about the surprise, perhaps, that the trump campaign when they won on election day, maybe not being prepared to fill all the positions that needed to be f e filled. >> they had no idea how to staff a gove...

-- amendment. >> and you used that in the context of what? >> when donald trump would flip from one position to the next. >> and the open question about whether he and mueller will sit down for an interview, today ken starr, former independent counsel in the clinton investigation, was asked if he thought trump should speak with the special counsel. >> i think as the president of the united states, he should. my perspective is the president of the united states has an obligation to enforce and obey the law. >> we should tell you ken starr will be here in the studio with us on wednesday, and we ...