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After the fire andre fury comments, it would be the end of kim jong un and the destruction of his people. i don't hear mattis criticized for saying it, essentially the same thing. >> mark: there's two things here. there is the trump-ian element. and there's also historical precedent for people who warn you about the real dangers of dictators while everybody else is just doing the bland diplomatic speak. that was true in the 1930s. churchill got the bad oppressors, during the 1930s. >> no twitter then. >> right.s >> he didn't have that problem. >> mark: does seem to be an element of snobbish co...

Second believe that he will survive that situation. >> jim you were special forces. we've been talking about fairly large scale operations here. is there any kind of a more pinpointed my crow strike, any kind -- micro strike, covert operation that, could fix this situation? >> that would be wonderful but i don't think it's feasible. as harry said, his stuff is spread out, all over the place. we couldn't be sure to hit all of it. unless we go with a massive strike to take down everything. the best case scenario, president trump to convince jong-un he will take him out if he doesn't denuclearize...

Second believe that he will survive that situation. >> mark: jim, you are special forces. we've been talking about fairly large scale operations here. is there any kind of a more pinpointed my crow strike, anya a micro strike, a covert operation that could fix the situation? >> that would be wonderful but i don't think it's feasible. as harry said, his stuff is spread out, all over the place. we couldn't be sure to hit all of it. unless we go with a massive strike to take down everything. thee best case scenario, president trump to convince kim jong-un he will take him out if he doesn't denucl...

Done the science and we have to rely on the capability. it's a provocative move for north korea to do that. kim would have to be suicidal at that point to launch a missile and telemetry says in the route of guam. we have to assume it's nuclear. why? we described to them the comp t capability. >> and one thing for them to ramp it up. and the u.s. military specific command is getting involved in the rhetoric as well. i was a bit surprised. speaking as a former pentagon correspondent, during the first gulf war, u.s. air force b-1, b lancer bombers on guam stand ready to fulfill #fighttonight miss...

In the long term. i have to agree with john. this ratcheting up of the press, a lot of people saying the rhetoric is scary, but it does seem a little bit, you heard will ripley say, to be working. if you parse out kim jong-un's statements, not talking specifically about four missiles pointed at guam. you hear the regular bombast of, you know, kind of fire and fury we heard from the president. i do think that the diplomacy, this actually, this rhetoric, might boost a credible deterrent. not just a message. this is north korea. a message to china that this is getting out of control. you need to ...