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Arenas. how much will he be pressed on knowing how this proposed meeting with russians should have been handled? he wouldn't be able to proclaim being naive. >> if a foreign government says that, i don't buy that argument as a former fbi agent. i'm not buying it. if you have been in the business world and you understand how all that works with the foreign government contacts you and says, i have information, that should have sent up a red flag all day long. manafort, you are right, he had dealings in ukraine. so he should understand the length and effort of the russian intelligence service, ju...

Arenas. so how much will he be pressed on knowing how this proposed meeting with russians, you know, should have been handled? he wouldn't be able to proclaim being naive. >> yeah, well, i'm not -- listen, if a foreign government says -- i don't buy that argument as a former fbi agent. i'm not buying it. if you've been in the business world and you understand how all that works a foreign government contacts you and says i have information, that should have sent up a red flag all day long. but manafort, you're right, he had dealings in ukraine, so he should understand the length and effort of t...

Television i believe twice yesterday saying he had no knowledge of that letter -- >> before you accuse the vice president of certain things, what he said he was not aware of the filing, just so we're clear and he wasn't. >> in terms of the larger question, forget about filling out forms and legalism, what does this say about the transition team's judgment about still appointing him as national security adviser when you had knowledge of this information? >> you're asking me about forget about the legalism. that's wa we ask people to do is follow the law, you can't forget about the legalisms. wh...

Didn't do anything wrong in having the conversations, why lie? >> i'm not sure i want to speculate on why he would do that. it could have been one of those as innocent as he decides to do a courtesy call, he said he was going to do a courtesy call. i mean, it's a judgment issue, if you're talking to the russian ambassador that it wouldn't devolve into some kind of talk about sanctions or missile defense or fill in the blank. maybe he stumbled into that. and in his mind, that's not the intent of the call. >> i think that'swhat the review is. on an investigation, these should be taken seriously...

His an probable rating is not great either. >> i will tell you this. you give us sich, eight months right now. when you start seeing the republicans who work behind us in the capitol and if donald trump copies to lie about incidents and instances that are in plain view that are public statements that are pictures, then donald trump is in a lot of trouble. >> said it was sunny when it was cloudy yesterday. that kind of stuff. >> and to your point about lbj, at that moment, when that happened, the approval rate for the presidency and trust in government was at its all-time high at 71%. that's wh...