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To be held to account when you think about the sentencing factors for judge marshon. and i really do think if you think about anybody else in this situation, it would be treated incredibly harshly. finally, he has had every privilege and it must be galling to people watching this show to think about all of the people who are disadvantaged, who are dealt with in the criminal justice system, very harshly, who don't have -- who aren't raised with a silver spoon in their mouth, who have to overcome adversity and -- not that that's an excuse but it is at least an explanation for where they are and ...

He's got an ongoing proceeding at mar-a-lago. he goes in and out of that courthouse. there's not much chafe. the country is handling this, so far, just fine. i always feel like part of what trump succeeds in and part of how he's advantaged by the two-tier justice system that he talks about that he has himself on the wrong end of it is that he's constantly -- he and lindsey graham, supporters are constantly instilling fear that the country will blow. i think he's said it since he was convicted, my supporters won't stand for this. lindsey graham said something along those lines. does that way on...

Sentencing recommendation on alvin bragg's part and what is the right sentencing judgment on judgment marshon's part? >> that's a tough question and it's going to take a lot of judgment from both of them. but i think one of the commentators you mentioned at the outset hit the nail on the head. i think that he has an awful lot going against him. he has a lot of factors here that i think would give any defense lawyer and, frankly, any defendant a lot of heartburn as they approach sentencing. he had a gag order. he violated it. he violated it directly. he violated it by being complicit with other...