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It's very serious. so, judgment question. and then the character question. i mean, in a moment like that when you don't know what's going on but you know america is under attack, we are all supposed to be americans -- >> this is something -- newt gingrich would jump and say, i can blame the cia for being underfunded. immediately the brain goes to, how can i attack the gut? >> this is a have you no decency moment? i think mitt romney went out there -- we talk about the campaign, how can people let him do that. these words passed through his lips not once, but twice. he's not a dumb guy. he had ...

People? do you just -- i know people are wond wondering -- you don't -- okay. >> he also made off-color jokes which seemed to make the romney and paul ryan family seem to be a little squirmy. barack obama tweeted, this seat's taken. obviously a play on the empty chair. david axelrod, what the heck is this? was this a campaign mistake of the nth degree? >> of epic proportions. they trusted this precious time and moment in the campaign on national tv to someone who obviously just had an idea. now, he may be a great living legend in terms of popular culture and movies, but you cannot just surrend...

Reaction is particularly passionate, so i want you to listen to it. >> the statements of the general not only were outside the norm, they really did put in question military subordination to civilian control. you know, how you think that "rolling stone" is a good group the follow you around for a month is a judgment question. [ laughter ] the second thing is -- >> you would feel differently about any of you -- >> well, let me say this to these officers unnamed, to these officers who are unnamed, you know, i understand that you are warriors and shot at and brave, but you let yourself and your a...

I think it is all speculation on the part of the newest folks. >> would that be part of the plea agreements? >> i don't have to look at the merits of that and the facts. it's a lot of speculation on the basis for the pardon. >> the trump campaign was clearly open to working with russians to dig up dirt on hillary clinton. we know that from the unsealed documents and the reporting on the don jr. meeting, etc. in your mind, is this a judgment question? do you feel you can still work with the white house right now? >> i will work well with the white house. the thing i admire about this president ...

Speaking loudly. they are endangering the country. compare that with president obama who didn't say a word, for example, before osama bin laden was taken out. but he carried a big stick. so i think there is a different strategy here. i think hillary clinton has got the right one. >> let me ask you this, because the mood of this country discuss, to me, feel much like 2002, 2003, one of the things happen, people make decisions that they later come to rejett get. one is hillary clinton's iraq war. she has to her great ved credit said that was a wrong decision, but there is a real sort of judgment...