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Me that he's trying to do something a lot of people do when they're under criminal investigation which is attack the prosecution, demean the prosecution, demean the people who are investigating you. it usually doesn't matter. usually we sort of, you know, you know, you laugh it off, i've been criticized, i've been atta attacked. i think any federal prosecutor has. the difference here is this guy's their boss and what he's done is he's convince add lot of people in this country, a lot of republicans that the heads of the doj and the fbi are criminals. we had republican congressmen and congressw...

He has criminal -- >> renato, you bring up a very good point from an attorney who has worked with him for a long time is saying this, because otherwise why would you have to give him that advice, right? >> well, yeah, you know, when i was a federal prosecutor, a junior prosecutor, my supervisor was teaching me, he said all these people are cooperators, the reason they have this information is because they are associating with criminals. and they are, you know, often criminals, themselves. i mean, cooperators are rarely, you know, people who are -- a person who's a witness might be somebody on ...

Subject but not a target of the investigation. now everybody's doing amateur law school trying to figure out what that means. my question is, did they have to tell the president's lawyers that? why would you tell somebody that they're a subject? >> again, i don't have any personal insight into the status of any individuals in the special counsel's investigation. but to answer your question, it, if someone asks, is my client, in a federal investigation a target, subject or witness, you do need to tell them. because they, they should know and have a right to know. in terms of what those terms me...

Available to the public. >> okay. >> and it's one of the things that a junior prosecutor will learn very early on. because someone will ask them, well, you want to talk to my client. what is he? and so people, prosecutors, experienced prosecutors are very familiar with the concept, but it's pretty simple. i mean, someone who a prosecutor wants to talk to will fit in a wide range of categories. and one extreme will be a witness, a witness, that's someone who has relevant information about the investigation but to the best of the prosecutor and investigator's knowledge, they, they have no crimin...

You have lots of unpaid advisors on every campaign, and this guy was in meetings with donald trump and jeff sessions, the head of the foreign policy advisory team. he was clearly -- he talked about possibly going to russia for the campaign. ended up not doing it, because they would not pay for him to g go, but it is misleading to call him a coffee boy. spill what you think about the dossier, it is an important role in sparking the investigation. >> it did play a role, but as a former prosecutor, let me be clear. the dossier could be one of many sources of information, and a junior prosecutor, ...