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Learned, the right way and also the hard way which is journalification which is what a juror will say -- which is jury nullification. which is what a juror will say, i will vote my conscious, vote with my heart and be damned what the law is what is so bizarre here, i mean, this is how everything is politicized, chocolate versus peanut butter, but, remember, the executive branch, who sits at the top of the executive branch? the president. where does the department of justice fall? under the executive branch. you've got the most important person in the executive branch basically saying that the ...

There's a concept that we've all learned the right way and also the hard way, which is jury nullification, which is where a juror will say, "i don't care what the law is or what the judge tells me. i'm going to vote with my conscience and my heart and be damned what the law is." but what is so bizarre here, i mean, this is how everything is politicized. chocolate versus peanut butter. but who sits at the top of the executive branch? the president. where does the department of justice fall? under the executive branch. you've got the most important person in the executive branch basically saying...

The case is document heavy. it was the documents, it was the accounts, all right? the people that don't have the skeletons in the closet, and for the prost cushiecution, it is v and dry. you paid uncle sam or you did not. >> what signs will you be looking for in the next couple days or hours to see which way the jury is leaning? >> i think it will be significant what kind of questions they will put forth. if they want any d.o.j. policies, there was a theme of jury nullification, there was not normal procedure. that would be a troubling sign for the prosecution. on the other hand, if they want ...

Your attorney-client privilege. they're trying to make the case in the sense that rick gates is the real criminal or a worse criminal, and he is the one to blame. you have been listening to the trial and you think paul manafort should get a break? >> that's right they gained a little bit of credibility, but i think that she is right there is a lot of big evidence here. one factor they may try to suggest is the jury nullification. saying there is so much wrong doing being forgiven here by gates and other witnesses that maybe this is just not really fair, there is something else going on here an...

An acquittal. so that can't happen. the one possibility is will there be some kind of holdout juror, not based on the evidence but for some kind of, you know, jury nullification reason. it shouldn't hurt mueller who's come through with a basically bulletproof case and has proven it and really the defense had nothing to counter it with today. but i think so. i think if there is a holdout jury and a mistrial, it will generally hurt him. conversely, if there's a solid conviction here, i think it will mu muffle the cries of witch hunt even further. >> harry, zero chance they'll come back with acqu...