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Them, you know, was my age. and then the other was dan hiers. well, it all started. we were playing, i think it was like a game of tag going on between me and two other kids. dan started running anround, playing tag with us. he was like a big kid. >> dan became friends with the child's mother and offered to be some sort of role model, because the girl's biological father was not in her life at the time. >> he offered to start taking me to karate classes, actually. anything that was really going on around town, we would be a part of that, going to the fair, beak rides, going fishing. showed me ...

Loading her gun. clearly she is performing that as a woman in this political space. >> well, again, i think it's important to be very sensitive to that. i mean there's a long history of women's responses to gender violence. feminists in the 1970s were very public about taking karate classes and that was the start of anti-rape protection and things like that. but i guess what worries me about ads like that is we just -- who are we going to arm next in a way. after the movie theater shooting, we armed the movie guys. after the school shooting, we arm the school guys. it's like, oh, women are the...

>> you can. we have exposed you already. >> now i got it. >> see, it is contagious. >> it feels like a kid who maybe started taking karate classes or got a new guitar. maybe like bart simpson he said we will put it aside, and in a way we don't blame him. everybody lead him to believe that. he ran on hope and change. they are slogans and not policies. when you have to do the work, it is a bumer. >> what a great analogy. you just described my entire childhood. i think my closet was filled with chemistry and arch resets. >> i but the cheapest -- it is not even the automobile models, but the plane...

>> you can. we have exposed you already. >> now i got it. >> see, it is contagious. >> it feels like a kid who maybe started taking karate classes or got a new guitar. maybe like bart simpson he said we will put it aside, and in a way we don't blame him. everybody lead him to believe that. hean on hope and change. they are slogans and not policies. when you have to do the work, it is a bumer. >> what a great analogy. you just described my entire childhood. i think my closet was filled with chemistry and arch resets. >> i but the cheapest -- it is not even the automobile models, but the planet ...