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Including what he called a plaintiff's attempt to withhold exculpatory evidence. now, we've pointed out, important to know, the lead prosecutor in the special counsel investigation, mueller's pitbull, andrew weissmann. we talked a lot about him, and jeannie rae, who worked for the clinton foundation. andrew weissmann innhe particul, the federal, quite a track record with exculpatory evidence. in the case of andersen accounting, they overturned weissmann's prosecution 9-03 does not happen that often prayed in the case of four merrill lynch executives, the circuit court of appeals overturned tha...

Process and the presumption of innocence.ti do you feel like that's missing in this movement? >> i think we should all be heard. women andd men. we needd to be heard and we need to be treated equal. >> sean: remember every time before we ever heard from some of the individuals in the justice kavanaugh case, you hear people say, "i believe." we hadn't heard from anybody. >> you can believe until you are proven guilty. you cannot be guilty until you are proven guilty. and that is very important that we follow the law. >> sean: i want to talk about your journey a little more. we kind of glossed o...

President put it. he did said he's troubled by what he heres. listen here. >> something that we don't like. it's very serious stuff. we're going to get to the bottom of it. >> in terms of what the white house might do, the president said he would have his recommendations. as he did in the kavanaugh case where he left it up to congress to determine the way forward, he said he would do that in this case as well. listen here. >> we'll very much listen to what congress has to say. they feel very strongly about it also. so i'll be doing this with congress. >> president trump didn't have much to say...

Ally of ours in the middle east. >> david, it doesn't take -- this isn't like he's comparing it, i guess, to the kavanaugh case. we know that case. that was 36 years ago and there was murkiness. here's a case where a guy, his fiancée waits outside while he represent t goes in. he never comes out. there are 15 security agents, four or five close to the crown prince. one of them according to the "times," it was a doctor. i can't get into that because we have not corroborated it, but there's no other factor. there's only the saudis in their consulate and he never came out. >> a moment ago you me...

Shows him behind republican marsha blackburn by 14 points. it appears his former momentum seems to have stalled a bit a bit. >> martha: thank you so much. joining me now, senior political analyst, karl rove, former senior advisor to george bush. and fox news political analyst. so, welcome everybody. good to have you here. with all of that as backdrop, these races are tight and they do, there is really so much at stake for both parties because when they wake up the morning after election day, it's going to be essential to the dynamic that at this point, they display in washington. >> the atmosp...