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Circles. >> that's what i mean. >> and that's certainly true. and she had wanted -- the important thing in this almost is she had wanted to come forward, she tried to in the beginning and to speak out in some way. she brought her allegations, as you mentioned, first to her own congresswoman. and then sent this complaint on up to dianne feinstein. this is not somebody who was smoked out by people trying to sort of bring kavanaugh down. this is someone who just wanted -- she was troubled by what she knew. she felt she had information that she thought was important that she wanted to share with t...

>> and that's certainly true. and she had wanted -- the important thing in this almost is she had wanted to come forward, she tried to in the beginning and to speak out in some way. she brought her allegations, as you mentioned, first to her own congresswoman. and then sent this complaint on up to dianne feinstein. this is not somebody who was smoked out by people trying to sort of bring kavanaugh down. this is someone who just wanted -- she was troubled by what she knew. she felt she had information that she thought was important that she wanted to share with the authorities. >> in many of th...

Her or to anyone. because this never happened, i had no idea who was making this accusation until she identified herself yesterday. i am willing to talk to the senate judiciary committee in any way the committee deems appropriate to refute this false allegation from 36 years ago and defend my integrity. judge kavanaugh may have the opportunity to do so, and ford may have the opportunity to take her case to the public as well. a scenario that causes deep concern among kavanaugh's defenders. and even as a handful of republican senators voice serious concern over the allegations, senate leadershi...