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Concerns is i'm afraid if i flip on my associates they might come after me or the family. if paul manafort were to flip, the russians could very well start looking at his family members. we've seen poisoning incidents in the uk of former russians who have flipped against russia. so i think that may also be what is keeping manafort from cooperating. >> flglen, you're getting to th crux of the question i asked michael there. insinuating fear. it appears there might be some fear from him if he is guilty of doing what is being alleged here. >> yeah. >> yeah. michael, i want to talk about some of t...

That's a real concern here. there's something keeping manafort from doing the logical, and it's not just about protecting trump. >> jill, we know gates admitted to filing false letters to the justice department in '16 and '17 about lobbying efforts with ukraine. how significant is the timeline of events laid out in these new indictments? >> well, the new indictments go for a longer period of time. it takes us into much more recent times, so that is important. and frank is completely correct on what he said. it's impossible for me to think how any lawyer is going to defend manafort. because the...

Educates made to the oped that ran last week. that shows he is untrust worthy and the judge said she is considering it this morning. this is a back and forth in a court case that many say what does it have to do with anything? this is manafort playing hardball who are charged with house arrest and strict bail it conditions. not just sending a message to him, but anybody else who might come his way. >> mueller playing hardball and the reach of his investigation is quite deep and he has access to this documentation that if you violate the terms of your arrest or charges in this case that you are...