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Punishment. maybe not quite the right phraseology, because we'll need to lead the world in responding to a brutal murder, and all sorts of violations of the values and the -- and the things that we care about. of course, the other thing he's doing, he's sort of gambling with his own credibility. he did say, that would be bad. he did say there would be strong punishment if this happened. he said that. now the question and the world will be watching, is will he follow through? because it's looking more and more like, in fact, the saudis did this. >> do you believe it was an accident that he was ...

And as we report these passports of at least serve of the perpetrators, this is all mounting evidence. the question is what will be the response from the international community. i was talking to a former diplomat here who described the white house response thus far as paralyzing to the turkish officials, because in it essentially limits the costs imposed. we have president trump, who is essentially parroting the line from the saudi government, indicating they weren't involved and perhaps it's rogue killers. so that's really limiting turkey's ability to, you know, impose costs should there tur...

Regime is trying to figure out how to make this as least catastrophic as it can be. and quite frankly, it worries me with the president trading in rumors and maybe repeating the trial balloons that the saudis are running. it sort of feels like maybe he is trying to help the saudis put the -- whatever fine face you can put on this. one other thing i would add, wolf, as a member of the intelligence committee, i don't know anything, i haven't been briefed. but there is no question on my mind that the president of the united states, the cia, our intelligence community, has a very good idea of what...