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Israel. what do you think that tells us? >> it's not clear exactly what the israelis are doing. we should hope what they are doing is simply trying to play bad cop to get the best deal possible. prime minister netanyahu's rhetoric has been so far off to the other side that it raises the question that perhaps he is trying to blow up the negotiations. perhaps he doesn't want a deal. that would be enormously damaging. if at the end of the day we don't get a deal between the international community and iran and israel is the culprit that backfires against israel and the united states and very much...

The last. we're very, very close. they come back again in ten days, i expect we'll get a deal very soon. >> ken, are you as optimistic? >> i certainly share joe's hope that this deal can be brought about. and i share both of your hope or expectation that this is a good deal. i think the problems that have a rarisen is that -- these are things that howled be dealt with in a final status agreement between the two of them. it's not really clear why the french decided to make an issue of this now. that makes me a little bit more concerned about what it was going into this, about how hard it's goin...

Proposing relief of very small kinds. the argument is that iran should make significant concessions, but that the west should make none at all. that's not negotiations, that's a requirement that the other side surrender. which makes one wonder. do the critics of this negotiating process want a better deal? or do they really want no deal at all? so that it opens up another path to deal with the problem, which is war. in that case, the danger for those critics was not that the geneva negotiations were failing, but rather that they were succeeding. let's get started. you just heard my take, let...

Foreign minister as part of the seven year effort to curb iran's nuclear program. this will be the highest level talks with iran in three decades but they can be trusted? back on the show is middle east expert and former cia intel analyst ken pollack. ken, in relationship that has not known trust in about 30 years, how do we assess whether or not rowhani is any different from ahmadinejad? he says he has the heir of the supreme leader and has control of their nuclear as pieration. what are the actions that need to come out of iran to prove the point rowhani is as advertised? >> let's start with...

Is, have u.n. inspectors go in in the middle of the civil war. find it, verify it, destroy it. >> this is a great question. look back to the iraq example. it worked in iraq. we have to remember that. we did get iraquis, get saddam give up weapons of mass destruction. it took years. >> during '90s, before george w. bush. >> it took years to do, took years to get saddam to agree. maybe bashar will be smarter than saddam. as you point out, we weren't trying to do it in the middle of a civil war. trying to conduct business as usual inspections in the middle of a civil war, that's a really tall ord...