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For discussion at any point in the story if it demands it. >> that's crazy stuff. stick around. we're going to bring in brian lowrie, a critic for variety and nischelle turner in los angeles. let's talk about the big numbers and why these two shows grew to be so popular. "the walking dead", "the bible," very different shows, huge audiences nonetheless. simultaneously. >> well, i think we're seeing right now where the place where a hit show can come from really anywhere. we have seen not just on cable, but we have seen pbs get enormous numbers this season with down tton abbie. duck dynasty for ...

Network worthy rating. >> nischelle, i'll bring you into this. these shows ignited social media as well last night. people just couldn't get enough? >> absolutely. i think one of the things that david touched on is very true. the unpredictability "the walking dead" that has people so hooked on this. their favorite character could get killed off at any time, so no one knows what's going to happen. and last night, like you said, 12.4 million people watching the show. but here's this number that really makes a big point here, fredricka. 8.1 million of those viewers were from that 18 to 49 demogra...

You see how potentially influential this might be, that perhaps, you know, television programming might be modified or some things that might be influenced on the horizon as a result of the success of the show? >> i hope so. but, you know, you know this business better than i do. i think we just go for things that will attract people and then we look for the next best thing. but i do believe that it was well done, and some of the consultants made it possible for this to be seen in a -- for a wide variety of reasons, because it really came at a time when i think people were looking to see what ...

Something like the bible on television. they have been -- charlton heston backed this pony a long time ago and knew it was a guaranteed way to attach a certain audience. look at the passion of the christ. there is an element where you're going to guarantee that people are seeing it. but is that indicative of the depth of the story that they're being taught? >> that was a lot more sanitized than what we're seeing, the graphic nature that is unfolding. >> so are westerns at the time. you know, westerns didn't show what the unforgiven would show. i think the audiences now, it is almost -- it spea...

Legal question and i oftentimes say, our law hasn't always caught up with the reality of things today, and i think this is one more area where the law just hasn't quite caught up. >> all right, sunny hostin, thanks so much, on the case. it was a surprise blockbuster hit for the history channel. the epic miniseries "the bible" attracted more than 10 million viewers for each show. it received more viewers than "american idol." so is must see tv now must see cable? we'll find out next.