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Having watched him up close. john, are you surprised by this? >> yes. i was surprised that he did it today. i expected that scott walker would quit the race before iowa because there's no trampoline in presidential politics. you don't go to the top and then bounce back up. and so he was in trouble. but my sense was that he would at least hold on for a little longer. he had money. that's not the problem. he was running low. and knew money wasn't coming in. but he had enough to go on for a while longer. what i think happened today was a playout of that poll number you that just mentioned, that 0...

The ten candidates only fox news debate inexplicable cutoff. he said he will do that kids staple thing they are offering instead even though he doesn't really want to. >> i was very frank with him. i told him, i don't think that's a good idea. >> are you going to do it? >> look i'm here. i'm going to take advantage, are you kidding me? >> well, if i'm a stepping stone to the kid table, fox news debate. >> congratulations. >> so very interesting to have republican presidential candidate rick santorum here. i hope to have all the presidential candidates on this show. none of the rest of you ever...

Debates down to the kid table. and that -- for a guy with scott walker's ego and his lingering ambition, the fact he still wants to be in politics, the notion of being shuttled off to the kids' table and having to debate bobby jindal i just don't think appealed to him. >> that's fascinating because i just saw some reporting saying that the super pac allied with governor walker still has quite a bit of money of cash on hand. i think i saw the number, maybe $20 million or -- 10, 20 million dollars. i mean, they could finance -- the superpac could finance this. you're suggesting that's a really i...